1 00:00:38,496 --> 00:00:40,707 (RADIO PLAYING IN DISTANCE) 2 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:54,971 (RATTLES DOORKNOB) 3 00:01:06,399 --> 00:01:08,068 (FAUCET RUNNING) 4 00:01:08,985 --> 00:01:11,488 - (CLEARS THROAT) - Oh! (CHUCKLES) 5 00:01:11,571 --> 00:01:13,239 I didn't realize you were still in the house. 6 00:01:13,323 --> 00:01:15,158 - I'm sorry to startle you. - (RIPS PAPER) 7 00:01:15,241 --> 00:01:16,409 Here's the estimate. 8 00:01:17,827 --> 00:01:19,037 House looks good. 9 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,664 Can't think you need much beyond door and window sensors. 10 00:01:21,748 --> 00:01:23,833 I included in the cost three keypads. 11 00:01:25,043 --> 00:01:26,628 My husband wondered, 12 00:01:26,711 --> 00:01:29,172 ...would you ever just sell the stickers for the windows... 13 00:01:29,255 --> 00:01:31,382 ...and a sign for the front lawn? 14 00:01:31,883 --> 00:01:33,301 (CHUCKLES) 15 00:01:34,344 --> 00:01:35,945 Signs come with the sensors, I'm afraid. 16 00:01:36,012 --> 00:01:38,598 Of course they do. (CHUCKLES) That makes sense. 17 00:01:42,894 --> 00:01:45,563 (THEME MUSIC PLAYING) 18 00:03:17,196 --> 00:03:18,781 (CAR ENGINE HUMMING) 19 00:03:31,169 --> 00:03:33,046 (INDISTINCT PA ANNOUNCEMENT) 20 00:03:54,567 --> 00:03:56,236 - Monte Rissell. - HOLDEN: Monte Rissell. 21 00:03:56,694 --> 00:03:57,987 Falls Church, Virginia. 22 00:03:58,529 --> 00:04:00,365 They sentenced him a few weeks ago. 23 00:04:00,448 --> 00:04:03,284 Five victims, all women, raped and murdered. 24 00:04:03,368 --> 00:04:04,410 Method? 25 00:04:04,494 --> 00:04:08,122 First and last victim were beaten and then drowned. Middle three stabbed. 26 00:04:08,206 --> 00:04:10,833 - I thought one of them was shot, no? - No. 27 00:04:31,229 --> 00:04:35,275 Virginia State Penitentiary. Monte Ralph Rissell. 28 00:04:45,910 --> 00:04:47,912 (DOOR UNLOCKING) 29 00:04:50,290 --> 00:04:51,374 Monte Rissell. 30 00:04:53,876 --> 00:04:55,586 - Why don't you have a seat? - Monte. 31 00:04:55,670 --> 00:04:57,672 Hey, you guys need me for any of this? 32 00:04:57,755 --> 00:05:00,091 No, thank you. We'd prefer to talk with you alone. 33 00:05:02,260 --> 00:05:04,345 GUARD: Behave yourself, Rissell. Move. 34 00:05:06,347 --> 00:05:08,975 My name's Bill Tench. This is my partner, Holden Ford. 35 00:05:09,475 --> 00:05:11,185 We're from the Federal Bureau of Investigation's... 36 00:05:11,269 --> 00:05:12,729 Behavioral Science Unit. 37 00:05:13,146 --> 00:05:15,982 - Scientists? - We're from the Behavioral Science Unit. 38 00:05:16,816 --> 00:05:18,026 We're doing research. 39 00:05:18,109 --> 00:05:20,695 Interviewing... men like you. 40 00:05:20,778 --> 00:05:21,696 (SCOFFS) 41 00:05:22,322 --> 00:05:23,531 Men like me? 42 00:05:23,614 --> 00:05:25,533 TENCH: Murderers with multiple victims. 43 00:05:25,616 --> 00:05:27,702 To better understand why you do what you do. 44 00:05:30,038 --> 00:05:31,080 I'd like to know, too. 45 00:05:40,298 --> 00:05:42,925 - You think this might help? - Help with what? 46 00:05:44,343 --> 00:05:45,678 Find a cure. 47 00:05:47,013 --> 00:05:48,181 TENCH: No idea. 48 00:05:48,264 --> 00:05:49,265 (MONTE SCOFFS) 49 00:05:50,266 --> 00:05:51,893 (GRUNTS) 50 00:05:56,064 --> 00:05:57,482 Think I could get some Big Red? 51 00:05:58,608 --> 00:05:59,776 "Big Red"? 52 00:06:00,401 --> 00:06:01,652 Pop. 53 00:06:01,736 --> 00:06:03,071 You know, like, soda. 54 00:06:04,322 --> 00:06:06,115 Used to have it when I was a kid. 55 00:06:07,158 --> 00:06:08,826 - I always loved Big Red. - HOLDEN: Um... 56 00:06:09,327 --> 00:06:11,954 - We'll see what we can do. - That'll depend on the insights. 57 00:06:13,122 --> 00:06:14,665 I can't get stuff like that in here. 58 00:06:14,749 --> 00:06:16,429 What do you say we get down to brass tacks? 59 00:06:17,043 --> 00:06:18,503 What do you want to know? 60 00:06:22,423 --> 00:06:24,300 Why I raped those girls in Florida? 61 00:06:24,717 --> 00:06:26,886 For starters, how did you choose your victims? 62 00:06:26,969 --> 00:06:27,804 Victims? 63 00:06:29,597 --> 00:06:30,765 That doesn't sound good. 64 00:06:31,557 --> 00:06:32,892 No, it doesn't. 65 00:06:35,478 --> 00:06:38,564 How many other... "men like me" are you talking to? 66 00:06:38,648 --> 00:06:39,816 Quite a few, Monte. 67 00:06:40,733 --> 00:06:41,984 They all talk to you? 68 00:06:43,903 --> 00:06:46,322 It's... early days. 69 00:06:46,405 --> 00:06:47,490 Hmm... 70 00:06:49,617 --> 00:06:52,017 - Really think you can get some Big Red? - Look at me, Monte. 71 00:06:52,078 --> 00:06:53,663 Let's stay on track. 72 00:06:55,706 --> 00:06:56,749 You know what? 73 00:06:57,708 --> 00:07:00,086 - I don't think I'm interested. - Fine. 74 00:07:01,045 --> 00:07:03,756 You want to diddle around, we'll walk out of here. 75 00:07:04,715 --> 00:07:09,428 We'll go have a nice, leisurely lunch wherever the fuck we want, 76 00:07:10,555 --> 00:07:13,516 ...and then take the picturesque drive back to Quantico. 77 00:07:15,518 --> 00:07:17,145 What's the rest of your day look like? 78 00:07:19,272 --> 00:07:22,733 What my partner's too polite to say is, we're talking to men like you... 79 00:07:22,817 --> 00:07:23,898 ...because we can't understand... 80 00:07:23,901 --> 00:07:26,446 ...how someone could fuck up their life so completely... 81 00:07:26,529 --> 00:07:28,322 ...before he's barely old enough to vote. 82 00:07:30,700 --> 00:07:31,742 Okay. 83 00:07:33,786 --> 00:07:34,954 (SIGHS) 84 00:07:35,872 --> 00:07:38,082 I first got into trouble at 14. 85 00:07:39,083 --> 00:07:41,419 They sent me to Florida. This, uh... 86 00:07:41,502 --> 00:07:44,255 (LAUGHS) ... "juvenile facility." 87 00:07:45,548 --> 00:07:48,301 Doctors watching over me all the time. 88 00:07:51,429 --> 00:07:54,682 I had four girls while I was under observation. 89 00:07:54,765 --> 00:07:57,185 But you didn't kill those girls in Florida, that came later. 90 00:07:57,268 --> 00:08:00,438 What was different when you came back from the hospital? What changed? 91 00:08:01,022 --> 00:08:01,981 Hmm... 92 00:08:03,900 --> 00:08:05,067 Let's see. 93 00:08:06,068 --> 00:08:07,403 They let me out. 94 00:08:08,237 --> 00:08:09,906 I come back up here, 95 00:08:09,989 --> 00:08:12,325 ...get myself a job, a girlfriend. 96 00:08:12,825 --> 00:08:15,453 Girlfriend's a year ahead, she goes off to state college, 97 00:08:15,536 --> 00:08:18,581 ...but, you know, we keep in touch, we write. 98 00:08:20,666 --> 00:08:21,751 You're taping it, man. 99 00:08:21,834 --> 00:08:24,045 Taking notes helps with transcription. 100 00:08:24,128 --> 00:08:26,589 You were saying? Back in school, a free man... 101 00:08:26,672 --> 00:08:28,466 MONTE: Not free, no, sir. 102 00:08:28,549 --> 00:08:32,220 Probation, counseling, therapy. 103 00:08:33,554 --> 00:08:35,431 I gotta keep checking in or they send me back. 104 00:08:35,515 --> 00:08:37,350 But you got yourself a girlfriend... 105 00:08:37,892 --> 00:08:38,809 Do I, though? 106 00:08:40,186 --> 00:08:41,479 You know chicks. 107 00:08:42,271 --> 00:08:43,940 She sends me a letter. 108 00:08:44,023 --> 00:08:47,360 Tells me, shocker, there's all these guys up at school, you know. 109 00:08:47,443 --> 00:08:48,486 There's all this, uh... 110 00:08:52,198 --> 00:08:56,035 She tells me, in so many words, she wants to ball other guys. 111 00:08:57,828 --> 00:08:59,664 What am I supposed to do with that? 112 00:09:00,373 --> 00:09:04,210 I hop in the car, gotta see it for myself, and what do you know, 113 00:09:04,293 --> 00:09:06,045 ...there she is, making out with some dork. 114 00:09:08,589 --> 00:09:09,966 What a dumbshit, right? 115 00:09:10,925 --> 00:09:11,842 Chicks. 116 00:09:13,302 --> 00:09:14,512 What can you do? 117 00:09:15,304 --> 00:09:18,432 You can't live with them. (SNICKERS) 118 00:09:20,518 --> 00:09:22,520 I'll tell you what you can fucking do. 119 00:09:23,354 --> 00:09:25,982 I get some beer, because I'm fucking angry, 120 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:27,817 I have some weed, 121 00:09:28,359 --> 00:09:30,903 ...and I'm smoking, and thinking, 122 00:09:30,987 --> 00:09:34,323 ...and driving, and drinking, and then... 123 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:37,451 Then I'm back at my apartment, 124 00:09:38,327 --> 00:09:39,870 ...in the parking lot, 125 00:09:39,954 --> 00:09:41,914 ...no idea how I got there. 126 00:09:43,541 --> 00:09:45,251 A car pulls into the lot. 127 00:09:45,793 --> 00:09:49,672 Girl on her own, maybe 20, 25. 128 00:09:51,007 --> 00:09:52,925 It's got to be four in the morning. 129 00:09:54,635 --> 00:09:55,636 It's like... 130 00:09:56,178 --> 00:09:58,014 ...the idea of doing it... 131 00:09:59,515 --> 00:10:01,601 ...pops in your head like a... 132 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:03,394 (EXHALES) 133 00:10:05,354 --> 00:10:07,648 Like a sneeze, you know what I mean? 134 00:10:08,816 --> 00:10:11,485 I hop out the car, tap on the window, 135 00:10:11,986 --> 00:10:13,195 ...pull the gun, 136 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:15,114 ...drag her into the woods, 137 00:10:15,197 --> 00:10:18,451 ...rip her fucking panties off, hike up her skirt. 138 00:10:18,534 --> 00:10:21,662 "Oh, yeah, give it to me, baby! I want it, I'm so horny." 139 00:10:21,746 --> 00:10:23,831 I'm trying to rape her, but she won't shut up. 140 00:10:23,914 --> 00:10:26,042 She takes off screaming, 141 00:10:26,125 --> 00:10:28,252 ...runs through the parking lot, down a ravine. 142 00:10:28,336 --> 00:10:31,297 You know, she's stronger than me, but I'm fast. 143 00:10:31,881 --> 00:10:34,842 I catch up to her. I get her in a headlock. 144 00:10:34,925 --> 00:10:36,135 I choke her. 145 00:10:36,218 --> 00:10:40,473 We go rolling down the hill into a stream. The whole thing is fucking chaos. 146 00:10:40,556 --> 00:10:42,475 I smash her head against a rock, 147 00:10:43,100 --> 00:10:44,602 ...hold her underwater... 148 00:10:47,021 --> 00:10:48,397 ...and that's that. 149 00:10:50,316 --> 00:10:51,484 No more drama. 150 00:10:53,819 --> 00:10:55,821 You had a gun, why not use it? 151 00:10:57,615 --> 00:10:59,241 I wanted to cool her off. 152 00:10:59,325 --> 00:11:00,576 Do you think... Pardon me. 153 00:11:01,661 --> 00:11:04,872 Do you think it would've ended differently if she hadn't... 154 00:11:06,207 --> 00:11:08,584 - Like, if she wasn't... - MONTE: Wasn't what? 155 00:11:08,668 --> 00:11:09,752 A fucking prostitute? 156 00:11:11,545 --> 00:11:13,422 Yeah, could be. Could be. 157 00:11:15,091 --> 00:11:17,385 Your science buddy might have something there. 158 00:11:19,178 --> 00:11:24,016 Second time, this blonde chick, she will not stop with the questions. 159 00:11:24,100 --> 00:11:26,894 I have her driving at gunpoint, and she's like, 160 00:11:26,977 --> 00:11:29,730 "Why are you doing this? Don't you have a girlfriend?" 161 00:11:29,814 --> 00:11:32,358 "What are you planning to do? Why me?" 162 00:11:32,441 --> 00:11:33,692 Is that why you stabbed her? 163 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:35,403 I had to. 164 00:11:36,487 --> 00:11:37,822 Shut her the fuck up. 165 00:11:37,905 --> 00:11:40,491 TENCH: Then you drove around for hours in her car. 166 00:11:42,576 --> 00:11:43,411 Yeah. 167 00:11:44,453 --> 00:11:48,541 By the third girl, you could say I had, uh... perfected the routine. 168 00:11:48,624 --> 00:11:49,917 You stabbed her, too? 169 00:11:50,418 --> 00:11:51,544 Yeah. 170 00:11:54,296 --> 00:11:55,923 I stabbed her so many times. 171 00:11:56,799 --> 00:11:57,967 Yeesh... 172 00:11:58,843 --> 00:12:01,137 (CLICKS TONGUE) I did let one of 'em go, though. 173 00:12:04,056 --> 00:12:04,974 Yeah. 174 00:12:05,349 --> 00:12:09,145 We're in the car, I'm getting ready, she has no idea. 175 00:12:09,937 --> 00:12:13,023 All of a sudden she starts crying, out of nowhere. 176 00:12:13,107 --> 00:12:16,193 Tells me her daddy's dying... Cancer. 177 00:12:19,905 --> 00:12:21,490 My brother had cancer. 178 00:12:22,783 --> 00:12:24,243 Cancer. It's, uh... 179 00:12:24,952 --> 00:12:26,162 It's a bitch, man. 180 00:12:27,913 --> 00:12:29,665 Yeah, it's hard on a human being. 181 00:12:30,249 --> 00:12:31,625 So I let her go. 182 00:12:32,793 --> 00:12:34,086 It's, uh... 183 00:12:36,172 --> 00:12:39,592 - It's a weird feeling, man. - What's a weird feeling, Monte? 184 00:12:39,675 --> 00:12:40,593 Um... 185 00:12:41,802 --> 00:12:43,220 How do I put it? 186 00:12:44,722 --> 00:12:46,974 - Showing mercy. - TENCH: What? 187 00:12:47,057 --> 00:12:50,561 Come on, kid. You don't expect us to buy your mercy horseshit. 188 00:12:50,644 --> 00:12:53,063 I think what Agent Tench means is... 189 00:12:53,147 --> 00:12:55,357 I think I've had enough science for one day. 190 00:12:57,485 --> 00:12:58,694 Throat's a little dry. 191 00:13:33,103 --> 00:13:35,439 - Maybe next time you should be careful... - Holden. 192 00:13:35,523 --> 00:13:38,150 - I didn't say anything. - You don't have to. I get it. 193 00:13:38,234 --> 00:13:40,361 - Let's move on. - I wasn't going to reprimand you. 194 00:13:40,444 --> 00:13:41,737 I hope not. 195 00:13:43,030 --> 00:13:44,406 Okay, we're moving on. 196 00:13:58,295 --> 00:13:59,295 TENCH: Here's the thing. 197 00:13:59,296 --> 00:14:02,383 Monte Rissell danced around a bunch of psychiatrists when he was a kid. 198 00:14:02,466 --> 00:14:04,343 Did the same thing when he was on parole. 199 00:14:04,426 --> 00:14:06,595 He's an Olympic-class bullshitter. 200 00:14:07,137 --> 00:14:09,098 Why do we think he's being honest with us? 201 00:14:09,181 --> 00:14:12,726 But we don't think he's being completely honest. Do we? 202 00:14:13,727 --> 00:14:17,147 We just need to extract what's useful and discard the rest. 203 00:14:17,231 --> 00:14:19,149 So my mistake with Rissell was what? 204 00:14:19,233 --> 00:14:20,317 (HORN HONKS) 205 00:14:22,611 --> 00:14:24,154 (HORN BLARING) 206 00:14:24,238 --> 00:14:27,157 (PANTING) 207 00:14:27,241 --> 00:14:29,743 - You okay? - Yeah. 208 00:14:30,870 --> 00:14:31,829 (GRUNTS) 209 00:14:33,247 --> 00:14:34,081 MAN: Fuck! 210 00:14:34,373 --> 00:14:37,626 Jesus Christ! What the fuck's the matter with you? 211 00:14:37,710 --> 00:14:39,295 What were you doing, 80, 100?! 212 00:14:39,378 --> 00:14:41,547 - You turned without looking! - You were speeding! 213 00:14:41,630 --> 00:14:43,591 - Doesn't matter! I had the right of way! - Doesn't matter? 214 00:14:43,674 --> 00:14:46,051 - That's the law, buddy. - The law?! 215 00:14:46,135 --> 00:14:48,804 - No. Here's the fucking law, pal! - You can't do that. 216 00:14:48,888 --> 00:14:49,928 I'm gonna call the police! 217 00:14:50,556 --> 00:14:52,182 Stay away from me, man! 218 00:14:54,685 --> 00:14:56,103 Unbelievable! 219 00:14:56,186 --> 00:14:58,397 TENCH: You fucking moron. 220 00:14:58,480 --> 00:14:59,732 (HORN CONTINUES BLARING) 221 00:15:02,359 --> 00:15:03,736 You sure you're all right? 222 00:15:08,532 --> 00:15:10,367 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 223 00:15:19,418 --> 00:15:23,047 HOLDEN: No, I get it. You got a lot going on. It's a lot of pressure. 224 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:26,342 I completely understand. 225 00:15:27,927 --> 00:15:29,887 Let me talk to Bill and I'll call you back. 226 00:15:32,890 --> 00:15:34,141 (SIGHS) 227 00:15:39,188 --> 00:15:40,356 Is that for me? 228 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,359 Thanks. Debbie says hi. 229 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,281 It's fine. As soon as class is over, she'll come down. 230 00:15:50,741 --> 00:15:54,119 She says she'd rather us get a room so she can pick us up in the morning. 231 00:15:56,956 --> 00:15:58,123 I'm a little ticked off. 232 00:15:58,207 --> 00:16:00,167 I get Debbie doesn't want to do all that driving, 233 00:16:00,250 --> 00:16:02,670 ...but we have a situation here. I'm asking her for help. 234 00:16:04,046 --> 00:16:06,840 Okay, she's got midterms and that's on her mind, but... 235 00:16:08,634 --> 00:16:09,635 (EXHALES) 236 00:16:10,427 --> 00:16:11,720 Why am I so upset? 237 00:16:13,389 --> 00:16:16,058 Maybe 'cause she can't drop everything when you call. 238 00:16:18,519 --> 00:16:20,020 Because she doesn't want to. 239 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:24,483 MAN: Here you go. 240 00:16:27,569 --> 00:16:29,321 - One more, please. - MAN: Yes, sir. 241 00:16:29,947 --> 00:16:31,323 You want to call Nancy? 242 00:16:31,407 --> 00:16:32,533 (INHALES) 243 00:16:33,242 --> 00:16:34,576 (EXHALES) 244 00:16:43,877 --> 00:16:45,754 (EXHALES SLOWLY) 245 00:16:45,838 --> 00:16:47,006 Are you okay? 246 00:16:49,758 --> 00:16:50,759 Or we could just eat. 247 00:16:56,015 --> 00:16:57,725 I didn't see it coming, Holden. 248 00:16:58,851 --> 00:17:01,770 You could've been killed, and I didn't see it coming. 249 00:17:07,317 --> 00:17:09,236 It's one thing if it's the job. 250 00:17:09,319 --> 00:17:12,197 But some fucking Pinto comes shooting out of nowhere... 251 00:17:13,741 --> 00:17:15,284 I think if I called Nancy, 252 00:17:15,826 --> 00:17:17,202 ...if I heard her voice, 253 00:17:18,787 --> 00:17:19,997 I'd just lose it. 254 00:17:25,085 --> 00:17:26,628 You know, we adopted a boy... 255 00:17:28,005 --> 00:17:29,214 ...three years ago. 256 00:17:30,049 --> 00:17:31,216 He's six now. 257 00:17:34,053 --> 00:17:35,721 Nancy always wanted a family. 258 00:17:36,972 --> 00:17:38,474 And I guess I did, too. 259 00:17:41,143 --> 00:17:44,146 But we can't have kids of our own, so... 260 00:17:45,397 --> 00:17:46,815 It's not going well. 261 00:17:48,567 --> 00:17:50,110 He's a beautiful boy. 262 00:17:52,237 --> 00:17:56,075 At first, I thought he was just quiet, you know, a quiet baby, 263 00:17:56,158 --> 00:17:57,493 ...nothing wrong with that. 264 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:00,412 He can speak, 265 00:18:02,331 --> 00:18:03,457 ...he just won't. 266 00:18:06,251 --> 00:18:08,170 I feel like we're failing him somehow. 267 00:18:11,048 --> 00:18:12,174 I'm sure you're not. 268 00:18:13,342 --> 00:18:15,177 Maybe he was like this before. 269 00:18:16,678 --> 00:18:17,805 But it's a real strain. 270 00:18:20,015 --> 00:18:22,976 It's supposed to be this great thing, having a son. 271 00:18:23,060 --> 00:18:24,019 God, Bill. 272 00:18:25,145 --> 00:18:27,147 I'm sorry to hear that. 273 00:18:27,231 --> 00:18:29,233 When the car was spinning out, I just... 274 00:18:33,403 --> 00:18:35,572 You have no idea what I'm trying to say, do you? 275 00:18:36,448 --> 00:18:37,741 Not exactly... 276 00:18:40,202 --> 00:18:41,453 ...but I want to. 277 00:18:41,537 --> 00:18:42,579 I don't know either. 278 00:18:43,622 --> 00:18:45,165 It's nothing, it's fine. 279 00:18:45,624 --> 00:18:46,875 Seriously, Bill... 280 00:18:47,376 --> 00:18:48,502 Call Debbie. 281 00:18:49,670 --> 00:18:51,547 Tell her she can come get us in the morning. 282 00:19:07,312 --> 00:19:08,689 TENCH: (ON TAPE) Come on, kid. 283 00:19:08,772 --> 00:19:10,858 You don't expect us to buy your mercy horseshit. 284 00:19:10,941 --> 00:19:14,027 HOLDEN: I think what Agent Tench means is... 285 00:19:14,111 --> 00:19:16,280 MONTE: I think I've had enough science for one day. 286 00:19:28,584 --> 00:19:30,624 - Well, should we hear it again? - Eventually, yeah. 287 00:19:33,297 --> 00:19:38,135 Okay. So there are two triggers, one right after the other, for Rissell. 288 00:19:38,218 --> 00:19:40,095 Maybe trigger is the wrong word. Too facile. 289 00:19:40,179 --> 00:19:42,306 Also, in law enforcement, has more than one meaning. 290 00:19:42,389 --> 00:19:44,933 What about stresses? Stressors. 291 00:19:45,726 --> 00:19:47,186 Let's make that our term of art. 292 00:19:47,269 --> 00:19:50,063 Stress is more internal anyway. It's more appropriate to our focus. 293 00:19:50,147 --> 00:19:51,982 So, two stressors set Rissell off? 294 00:19:52,065 --> 00:19:53,567 Her letter, obviously. 295 00:19:53,650 --> 00:19:56,445 So, the girlfriend writes him a Dear John letter and he... 296 00:19:56,528 --> 00:19:57,613 Rissell cracks. 297 00:19:57,696 --> 00:20:00,657 - But he doesn't call her or write back. - No, he goes down there. 298 00:20:00,741 --> 00:20:02,902 - Stalks her like a hunter. - HOLDEN: Not like a hunter. 299 00:20:02,910 --> 00:20:06,788 He doesn't kill the girlfriend, he only watches her with her new beau. 300 00:20:06,997 --> 00:20:08,248 - Big difference. - "Beau"? 301 00:20:08,332 --> 00:20:11,001 So what if Rissell doesn't mean to kill anyone at this point? 302 00:20:11,084 --> 00:20:12,753 He's still on track for rape, 303 00:20:12,836 --> 00:20:14,963 ...but it's this first victim's compliance... 304 00:20:15,047 --> 00:20:17,299 ...that just kind of pushes him over the edge. 305 00:20:17,382 --> 00:20:19,760 He kills the first one because she likes it or pretends to? 306 00:20:19,843 --> 00:20:21,136 HOLDEN: It's dominoes. 307 00:20:21,220 --> 00:20:22,554 Her compliance makes him angry. 308 00:20:22,638 --> 00:20:24,681 He throws her out of the car, she tries to escape. 309 00:20:24,765 --> 00:20:27,726 Where is it? He says, "The whole thing is just fucking chaos." 310 00:20:27,809 --> 00:20:30,354 - He needed to reassert control. - Exactly. 311 00:20:31,063 --> 00:20:33,941 Which means that the victim's behavior is also a stressor. 312 00:20:34,524 --> 00:20:37,194 I mean, it may be that they can't change the ultimate outcome, 313 00:20:37,277 --> 00:20:39,196 ...but they can affect when and how it happens. 314 00:20:39,279 --> 00:20:42,074 Exactly what I was thinking, which is why I asked the question. 315 00:20:42,157 --> 00:20:43,825 But... (SIGHS) 316 00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:44,952 But what? 317 00:20:45,035 --> 00:20:46,453 Isn't that just life? 318 00:20:47,037 --> 00:20:48,205 Your girlfriend dumps you? 319 00:20:48,288 --> 00:20:50,749 You're trying to be intimate with someone, and it goes wrong? 320 00:20:50,832 --> 00:20:54,169 Obviously, not that wrong, but it seems like Rissell just couldn't hack life. 321 00:20:54,253 --> 00:20:57,714 Well, what else is a criminal except somebody who can't function in society? 322 00:20:57,798 --> 00:20:59,299 If we want to be reductive, 323 00:20:59,383 --> 00:21:01,943 ...we can say these men can't handle normal stages of development... 324 00:21:02,010 --> 00:21:04,471 Why do I get the sense "reductive" is your worst insult? 325 00:21:04,554 --> 00:21:06,682 Not at all. I meant to say you were right. 326 00:21:08,350 --> 00:21:11,436 How would most men feel if they were being intimate with a woman... 327 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,523 ...and they sensed that she wasn't enjoying herself? 328 00:21:17,985 --> 00:21:19,236 Come on, be scientists. 329 00:21:20,821 --> 00:21:21,822 Disappointed. 330 00:21:22,447 --> 00:21:24,950 - It would feel awful. - Right. 331 00:21:25,033 --> 00:21:26,660 You want her to have a good time. 332 00:21:26,743 --> 00:21:29,496 CARR: But when Rissell sensed that his victim was enjoying herself, 333 00:21:29,579 --> 00:21:31,290 ...it turned him into a murderer. 334 00:21:31,832 --> 00:21:34,042 So, yes, what happens to these men is normal, 335 00:21:34,126 --> 00:21:35,836 ...but the way that they process it is not. 336 00:21:35,919 --> 00:21:39,214 That's our goal, to dig into the why, like you did with Kemper. 337 00:21:39,298 --> 00:21:41,178 TENCH: We're headed to Altoona for Road School. 338 00:21:41,216 --> 00:21:43,927 We'll try and see Rissell again when we get back, if he'll see us. 339 00:21:44,011 --> 00:21:47,306 This is gonna take twice as long if you can't do the interviews full-time. 340 00:21:48,015 --> 00:21:51,101 What is it? A question of money, of institutional rigidity, 341 00:21:51,184 --> 00:21:52,144 ...scheduling, what? 342 00:21:52,227 --> 00:21:53,395 All of the above. 343 00:21:53,478 --> 00:21:56,732 You know, I've been in academia all my life, let me see what I can do. 344 00:22:09,745 --> 00:22:11,079 Honey, I gotta go. 345 00:22:15,500 --> 00:22:16,668 NANCY: Brian. 346 00:22:17,294 --> 00:22:18,295 Come on. 347 00:22:18,378 --> 00:22:20,047 Give your father a hug. 348 00:22:20,505 --> 00:22:21,673 Say goodbye. 349 00:22:34,895 --> 00:22:36,438 TENCH: See you soon, son. 350 00:23:00,253 --> 00:23:01,213 Ready? 351 00:23:01,922 --> 00:23:03,048 Yep. 352 00:23:06,301 --> 00:23:07,219 HOLDEN: All yours. 353 00:23:09,638 --> 00:23:12,224 (BUZZER SOUNDING) (SIGHS) 354 00:23:12,808 --> 00:23:14,684 MONTE: Ain't easy to get on the East Coast. 355 00:23:14,768 --> 00:23:16,019 No, it's not. 356 00:23:16,895 --> 00:23:18,772 So you're not from the East Coast, originally? 357 00:23:23,819 --> 00:23:24,736 What? 358 00:23:25,737 --> 00:23:28,073 I'm sorry, I missed that. I'm a little deaf. 359 00:23:28,532 --> 00:23:31,159 I was just asking if you consider yourself an East Coaster? 360 00:23:31,243 --> 00:23:32,786 You don't have that in your file? 361 00:23:34,871 --> 00:23:36,832 You were born in Wellington, South Kansas. 362 00:23:36,915 --> 00:23:38,083 You're the youngest of three, 363 00:23:38,166 --> 00:23:39,967 ...and your parents divorced when you were seven. 364 00:23:40,043 --> 00:23:43,255 That's all in the file, just not what you have to say about it. 365 00:23:43,463 --> 00:23:46,007 Yeah, my mom blamed that on me. No idea why. 366 00:23:46,883 --> 00:23:48,635 My brother and sister were around, 367 00:23:48,718 --> 00:23:51,680 ...but it was always on me when things went bad. 368 00:23:51,763 --> 00:23:54,349 Pretty soon after, Mom up and married Hank. 369 00:23:55,684 --> 00:23:58,436 - Dragged us out to Sacramento. - You wanted to stay in Kansas? 370 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,564 MONTE: Be with my real father? You bet. 371 00:24:00,647 --> 00:24:03,608 I did not want to be in California, that's for sure. 372 00:24:05,652 --> 00:24:06,987 Nobody wanted me there, either. 373 00:24:07,696 --> 00:24:09,823 Did your mother say she didn't want you there? 374 00:24:16,121 --> 00:24:17,789 Why you always want to do that after? 375 00:24:19,207 --> 00:24:20,083 Crush the can. 376 00:24:21,001 --> 00:24:21,835 It feels good. 377 00:24:23,086 --> 00:24:23,920 Yeah, maybe. 378 00:24:24,004 --> 00:24:26,506 What made you think nobody wanted you in California? 379 00:24:26,590 --> 00:24:28,675 MONTE: Mom wanted to be with Hank. 380 00:24:28,758 --> 00:24:30,844 And Hank didn't want to raise somebody else's kids, 381 00:24:30,927 --> 00:24:32,804 ...so he bought us shit. 382 00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:38,310 Thought that'd be enough. When I was seven, he bought me a gun. 383 00:24:39,477 --> 00:24:41,563 - He bought you a gun? - BB gun. 384 00:24:42,981 --> 00:24:46,526 My brother and sister were drinking, smoking a lot of weed, 385 00:24:46,610 --> 00:24:47,986 ...doing all kinds of shit. 386 00:24:49,571 --> 00:24:51,031 Sometimes they'd share. 387 00:24:52,115 --> 00:24:55,035 When I was nine, I shot my cousin in the ass with that gun. 388 00:24:55,118 --> 00:24:58,830 That made me star of the show. I mean, everybody fucking hated my cousin. 389 00:24:58,914 --> 00:25:01,041 So you kids were left all alone. 390 00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:03,835 Hank broke the fucking thing over my head. 391 00:25:03,919 --> 00:25:05,754 - TENCH: He beat you? - Yeah. 392 00:25:06,713 --> 00:25:07,839 It's how I burst my eardrum. 393 00:25:11,259 --> 00:25:13,178 I got into all kinds of shit, man. 394 00:25:14,471 --> 00:25:17,515 Broke into some lady's house, stole a hundred bucks. 395 00:25:18,141 --> 00:25:21,728 Mom and Hank divorced when I was 12, that was kind of my doing. 396 00:25:22,604 --> 00:25:25,148 Fourteen, things got a little worse. 397 00:25:25,232 --> 00:25:28,860 Burglary, larceny, car theft, rape twice. 398 00:25:29,569 --> 00:25:31,947 My mom somehow got them to send me to Florida. 399 00:25:32,989 --> 00:25:34,241 Thanks, Ma! 400 00:25:36,660 --> 00:25:41,373 I get back. I'm 17, living on my own, working double shifts at Pizza Hut. 401 00:25:43,833 --> 00:25:44,876 Nobody wanted me, man. 402 00:25:47,379 --> 00:25:49,965 Nobody on this earth ever wanted me. 403 00:25:51,424 --> 00:25:53,468 Put that on your fucking tape. 404 00:25:55,553 --> 00:25:57,889 If only they'd let me stay with my dad... 405 00:25:58,723 --> 00:26:00,141 ...it'd all be different. 406 00:26:01,393 --> 00:26:02,936 I might even be a lawyer. 407 00:26:03,019 --> 00:26:06,064 - So your dad wanted you? - MONTE: Have a nice car. 408 00:26:06,898 --> 00:26:08,066 House. 409 00:26:08,858 --> 00:26:12,195 Be out in the backyard perfecting my recipe for barbecue. 410 00:26:15,532 --> 00:26:16,658 I'd have found my way. 411 00:26:33,258 --> 00:26:35,260 So Rissell's the real victim here? 412 00:26:35,969 --> 00:26:37,762 That's how he sees it, sure. 413 00:26:38,513 --> 00:26:42,809 A pathological liar who murdered five women sees himself as the victim. 414 00:26:44,102 --> 00:26:46,563 And we're giving him a shoulder to cry on. 415 00:26:46,646 --> 00:26:48,773 We're not giving him a shoulder to cry on. 416 00:26:49,232 --> 00:26:51,443 We're not flattering him. Or helping him. 417 00:26:53,069 --> 00:26:54,279 We're using him. 418 00:27:02,912 --> 00:27:03,913 Yeah, okay. 419 00:27:05,540 --> 00:27:08,793 TENCH: Motive, means, opportunity. 420 00:27:09,461 --> 00:27:12,756 The three pillars of criminal investigation: what, why, who. 421 00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:13,965 What happened... 422 00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:16,551 When I'm involved in a hostage negotiation, 423 00:27:16,634 --> 00:27:18,762 ...the perpetrator is standing right in front of me. 424 00:27:18,845 --> 00:27:21,765 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 425 00:27:31,399 --> 00:27:33,318 - Not a bad group tonight. - Yeah. 426 00:27:36,988 --> 00:27:38,073 TENCH: We got one? 427 00:27:39,991 --> 00:27:42,202 Look at him just standing there, watching us. 428 00:27:42,285 --> 00:27:44,871 He's just having a cigarette before he heads home. 429 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,211 See how he's deliberately trying not to look at us? 430 00:27:51,294 --> 00:27:53,338 He's screwing up the nerve to approach. 431 00:27:53,421 --> 00:27:56,841 - I put the over-under at half a minute. - I'll definitely take under. 432 00:27:57,467 --> 00:27:59,052 - That's a bet. - Loser buys dinner. 433 00:28:02,013 --> 00:28:03,473 Look out, he's on the move. 434 00:28:09,062 --> 00:28:09,979 Hey. 435 00:28:11,564 --> 00:28:13,483 You guys mind if I bother you a minute? 436 00:28:13,566 --> 00:28:14,692 Sure. What's up? 437 00:28:15,693 --> 00:28:17,529 Beverly Jean Shaw, 22. 438 00:28:19,030 --> 00:28:20,740 Never came home from her babysitting job. 439 00:28:20,824 --> 00:28:24,077 Four days later, we find her in the dump on Wopsononock Mountain. 440 00:28:25,495 --> 00:28:28,957 Um, based on stomach contents, we think she was killed right away, 441 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,583 ...around midnight Wednesday. 442 00:28:32,252 --> 00:28:34,671 She was sitting like this at the dump for four days? 443 00:28:34,754 --> 00:28:36,548 Well, no, um... 444 00:28:38,174 --> 00:28:40,093 See, there wasn't enough, um... 445 00:28:41,219 --> 00:28:43,388 If she had been at the dump four days... 446 00:28:43,471 --> 00:28:45,890 We'd see more insect infestation and animal trauma. 447 00:28:46,641 --> 00:28:48,768 So, between when she was murdered on Wednesday... 448 00:28:48,852 --> 00:28:50,603 ...and the body was discovered four days later, 449 00:28:50,687 --> 00:28:51,847 ...she had to be someplace else? 450 00:28:54,274 --> 00:28:55,483 HOLDEN: Her breasts. 451 00:28:56,526 --> 00:28:59,612 They were, I guess you'd say... amputated. 452 00:29:00,613 --> 00:29:04,325 - Um, we have not been able to locate them. - Was this postmortem or... 453 00:29:04,409 --> 00:29:07,203 OFFICER: Coroner said she was already dead. Yes, sir. 454 00:29:07,287 --> 00:29:08,872 (EXHALES) He blacked both her eyes, 455 00:29:09,372 --> 00:29:12,292 ...broke her jaw, multiple stab wounds. 456 00:29:12,751 --> 00:29:15,795 You can see he kind of frogged her legs out there. 457 00:29:17,422 --> 00:29:18,798 (SIGHS) 458 00:29:18,882 --> 00:29:20,216 And there was, um... 459 00:29:31,728 --> 00:29:32,729 Sorry. 460 00:29:34,355 --> 00:29:35,774 We don't get this kind of thing. 461 00:29:35,857 --> 00:29:37,218 - It's hard to... - Take your time. 462 00:29:42,655 --> 00:29:45,867 There was an incision. From her... (CLEARS THROAT) 463 00:29:46,868 --> 00:29:50,622 From her vagina to her, um... anus. 464 00:29:52,999 --> 00:29:55,210 - God damn it. I'm sorry. - You're doing fine. 465 00:29:56,669 --> 00:29:58,379 - The family local? - Uh... 466 00:29:58,463 --> 00:29:59,756 Parents upstate. Fiancé in town. 467 00:30:02,509 --> 00:30:05,887 - You don't think somebody local did this? - Hard to say at this point. 468 00:30:06,596 --> 00:30:08,431 I go to church with these people. 469 00:30:08,515 --> 00:30:11,184 We get peeping Toms, sure. But something like this? 470 00:30:11,267 --> 00:30:12,727 It doesn't make sense. 471 00:30:12,811 --> 00:30:16,898 To go from shoplifters and underage kids buying beer to... 472 00:30:19,234 --> 00:30:22,153 ...what happened to Beverly... Has to be an outsider. 473 00:30:22,237 --> 00:30:24,989 Draped over the ironing board here, is that human hair? 474 00:30:26,574 --> 00:30:27,659 Yes, sir. 475 00:30:27,742 --> 00:30:28,743 You have it? 476 00:30:30,537 --> 00:30:31,454 Sure. 477 00:30:31,871 --> 00:30:33,540 Yeah, Forensics bagged it up. 478 00:30:33,957 --> 00:30:36,334 It's all about Forensics. I am starting to appreciate that. 479 00:30:36,417 --> 00:30:38,628 HOLDEN: And the ironing board, you take that as well? 480 00:30:38,711 --> 00:30:42,173 Uh, I mean, we dusted it for fingerprints and everything, but, uh... 481 00:30:43,758 --> 00:30:47,512 But you do think the unsub scalped Beverly and then draped it over the ironing board? 482 00:30:48,847 --> 00:30:49,764 That mean something? 483 00:30:51,766 --> 00:30:53,101 Everything in this photo has meaning. 484 00:30:53,184 --> 00:30:55,854 If the unsub meant to display the hair, he was saying something. 485 00:30:55,937 --> 00:30:59,274 - He could've put the hair anywhere. - Right, no, I get it now. Uh... 486 00:30:59,357 --> 00:31:01,401 Soon as Forensics confirms it's Beverly's hair... 487 00:31:01,484 --> 00:31:02,527 I'm sorry, what? 488 00:31:02,861 --> 00:31:05,113 Well, we shouldn't jump ahead of Forensics, am I right? 489 00:31:05,196 --> 00:31:08,658 HOLDEN: I think, in this case, we have a dead body missing a chunk of hair, 490 00:31:08,741 --> 00:31:11,828 ...a big chunk of hair nearby, so we can go out on a limb and assume... 491 00:31:11,911 --> 00:31:14,414 I think what Agent Ford is trying to say, in his own way, 492 00:31:14,497 --> 00:31:17,458 ...is we're behind the eight ball here, we've come late to the party. 493 00:31:17,542 --> 00:31:19,752 We're gonna have to go over ground you've covered: 494 00:31:19,836 --> 00:31:21,379 ...witnesses, crime scene. 495 00:31:21,462 --> 00:31:24,716 We don't mean that as a challenge to you. It's not any kind of a criticism. 496 00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:27,135 We're just trying to catch up. Am I right, Agent Ford? 497 00:31:30,847 --> 00:31:31,931 Absolutely. 498 00:31:32,015 --> 00:31:35,268 We may ask some obvious questions and maybe a few you haven't thought of. 499 00:31:35,351 --> 00:31:38,938 But it's not a contest or a competition. We're all on the same side. 500 00:31:40,064 --> 00:31:41,357 - Okay? - Sure. 501 00:31:41,858 --> 00:31:43,401 Let's go through the rest. 502 00:31:43,484 --> 00:31:46,321 I'm curious why you're cutting this guy so much slack. 503 00:31:46,404 --> 00:31:50,241 He's never seen this kind of thing before. He's rattled. It's not his fault. 504 00:31:51,576 --> 00:31:55,580 Without a doubt you have more experience, but why rub it in his face? 505 00:31:56,831 --> 00:31:58,875 I'm not trying to make you feel bad. 506 00:31:58,958 --> 00:32:00,001 Maybe a little. 507 00:32:00,084 --> 00:32:04,047 The point is, local cops want to catch their guy as much as we do, maybe more. 508 00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:07,050 For them, it's not just theoretical, it's where they live. 509 00:32:16,893 --> 00:32:18,519 This is where your focus should be. 510 00:32:19,145 --> 00:32:23,191 Not on the crime scene, not on the corpse, not on the schematics. 511 00:32:25,109 --> 00:32:26,444 Focus on Beverly. 512 00:32:26,527 --> 00:32:28,947 What did the killer see in her? 513 00:32:29,030 --> 00:32:31,630 We've learned that this is a crucial detail, and not the only one. 514 00:32:31,699 --> 00:32:33,952 Based on the facts Detective Ocasek laid out earlier, 515 00:32:34,035 --> 00:32:36,537 ...our methodology tells us we're looking for a white male. 516 00:32:36,621 --> 00:32:38,957 These crimes rarely cross racial lines. 517 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,084 He's probably around Beverly's age. 518 00:32:41,167 --> 00:32:44,003 A killer will usually choose someone smaller and weaker than himself. 519 00:32:44,087 --> 00:32:46,381 He's a loner, hunts at night. 520 00:32:46,714 --> 00:32:49,425 I'm sorry, "hunts"? Is that a figure of speech? 521 00:32:50,343 --> 00:32:51,177 It is not. 522 00:32:51,260 --> 00:32:54,597 Coroner's report said Beverly was killed and then butchered. 523 00:32:54,681 --> 00:32:55,974 Isn't that what hunters do? 524 00:32:56,808 --> 00:32:58,810 We're probably looking for a loner. 525 00:33:00,019 --> 00:33:02,063 These men like to explore the fantasy first, 526 00:33:02,605 --> 00:33:04,732 ...bondage pornography, hardcore material. 527 00:33:04,816 --> 00:33:07,652 It gives them a certain... attitude towards women. 528 00:33:07,735 --> 00:33:09,112 Hence, a loner. 529 00:33:09,195 --> 00:33:12,031 Close-knit community like this, you would've spotted that by now. 530 00:33:12,115 --> 00:33:14,492 I think our man is an outsider, probably a drifter. 531 00:33:14,575 --> 00:33:17,370 Most likely, he'll move on from here and kill again. 532 00:33:17,453 --> 00:33:18,788 Again? 533 00:33:36,806 --> 00:33:40,435 The killer thought of Beverly Jean as just another piece of trash. 534 00:33:41,561 --> 00:33:44,939 Folks loved Beverly Jean. Trusted her with their kids. 535 00:33:46,441 --> 00:33:48,359 Had to be a drifter, like you say. 536 00:33:48,735 --> 00:33:50,528 HOLDEN: Some stranger passing through town. 537 00:33:50,611 --> 00:33:52,363 All that pretty hair caught his eye. 538 00:33:52,447 --> 00:33:54,907 He needed to possess it, then destroy it. 539 00:33:56,993 --> 00:33:58,233 TENCH: You talk to the fiancé? 540 00:33:58,286 --> 00:34:01,122 There's only so much you can get out of a man in that state. 541 00:34:02,081 --> 00:34:05,460 Benjamin was still in shock. Gotta take all that into account. 542 00:34:05,543 --> 00:34:09,172 Well, I'm sure you know your people, but let's just cover our bases. 543 00:34:09,255 --> 00:34:12,550 And let's try to get him cold. Make some excuse when you call. 544 00:34:13,134 --> 00:34:15,511 Don't mention the FBI, or even the murder. 545 00:34:15,595 --> 00:34:17,597 Help us get an unguarded response. 546 00:34:18,181 --> 00:34:19,682 Soon as Benjamin gets back into town. 547 00:34:19,766 --> 00:34:22,310 - Back into town? - You let the fiancé leave? 548 00:34:22,393 --> 00:34:24,854 He went up north for a bit to be with his relatives. 549 00:34:24,937 --> 00:34:27,315 You need to be with family at times like this. 550 00:34:27,398 --> 00:34:30,151 He'll be back soon. I'll vouch for that. 551 00:34:32,945 --> 00:34:33,988 He'll be back. 552 00:34:37,575 --> 00:34:38,618 (HOLDEN COUGHS) 553 00:34:47,460 --> 00:34:48,753 Where was the body found? 554 00:34:49,212 --> 00:34:50,546 OCASEK: Up here to the left. 555 00:34:58,513 --> 00:34:59,874 HOLDEN: Here's the ironing board. 556 00:35:01,432 --> 00:35:05,561 Right. I'll have a couple of the boys come pick it up. Sorry about that. 557 00:35:05,645 --> 00:35:09,232 No apology necessary. We're all learning as we go. 558 00:35:10,399 --> 00:35:11,734 (CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKS) 559 00:35:12,735 --> 00:35:14,987 You can see why I went easy on the fiancé. 560 00:35:16,531 --> 00:35:18,407 Ugly end for someone you just proposed to. 561 00:35:18,491 --> 00:35:19,951 TENCH: How long were they engaged? 562 00:35:20,660 --> 00:35:21,744 Couple months, I think. 563 00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:24,497 Could be he felt trapped. 564 00:35:24,580 --> 00:35:26,249 By a pretty, young blonde? 565 00:35:26,874 --> 00:35:28,376 Remember what Wendy said? 566 00:35:29,252 --> 00:35:31,170 A colleague of ours, a psychologist. 567 00:35:31,254 --> 00:35:34,841 Events we process as good news sometimes hit these killers the wrong way. 568 00:35:34,924 --> 00:35:36,717 Huh. That's interesting. 569 00:35:36,801 --> 00:35:38,302 Who found the body? 570 00:35:38,886 --> 00:35:42,181 A welder, Alvin Moran, out taking his dog for a hike. 571 00:35:42,765 --> 00:35:44,559 - At the dump? - He have an alibi? 572 00:35:45,143 --> 00:35:48,146 Alibi? He came to us. Why's he need an alibi? 573 00:35:48,229 --> 00:35:51,315 Sometimes the killer will insinuate himself into the investigation. 574 00:35:51,399 --> 00:35:53,240 - OCASEK: Even report his own crime? - Mm-hmm. 575 00:35:53,609 --> 00:35:54,861 HOLDEN: Can we talk to him? 576 00:35:56,404 --> 00:35:57,405 Yeah. 577 00:36:10,626 --> 00:36:11,627 Excuse me! 578 00:36:13,421 --> 00:36:14,255 Mr. Moran? 579 00:36:16,924 --> 00:36:18,259 Mr. Moran? 580 00:36:25,474 --> 00:36:27,018 You remember me, Mr. Moran? 581 00:36:27,393 --> 00:36:30,521 These men from the FBI would like to talk to you. That all right? 582 00:36:30,605 --> 00:36:31,522 Great. 583 00:36:32,607 --> 00:36:35,026 We're told you found Beverly Jean's body. 584 00:36:35,318 --> 00:36:37,361 How'd you happen to find yourself at the dump? 585 00:36:37,820 --> 00:36:40,281 Hiking. Wopsononock Mountain. 586 00:36:41,324 --> 00:36:42,992 Like to take the trail, clear my head. 587 00:36:43,075 --> 00:36:45,536 - Get a break from the wife and kids? - ALVIN: That's right. 588 00:36:45,620 --> 00:36:48,331 Get up there a few times a week. Take the dog for a walk. 589 00:36:48,414 --> 00:36:50,833 HOLDEN: Still not clear how that puts you at the dump. 590 00:36:50,917 --> 00:36:53,252 - The path comes in pretty close. - Does it? 591 00:36:53,794 --> 00:36:56,839 You see any sign of a hiking trail out by the dump, Bill? 592 00:36:56,923 --> 00:36:59,050 The other side of the railroad tracks, up the hill. 593 00:36:59,467 --> 00:37:01,928 Looks like a bunch of trees from where you're standing. 594 00:37:02,345 --> 00:37:04,805 But if there's no clear view from the dump to the trail... 595 00:37:04,889 --> 00:37:06,390 Are you really FBI? 596 00:37:07,558 --> 00:37:08,726 Am I under suspicion here? 597 00:37:12,897 --> 00:37:13,814 Okay. 598 00:37:15,775 --> 00:37:19,445 So I come off the trail to take a piss, no law against it. 599 00:37:19,528 --> 00:37:21,948 There may be, actually, but let's leave that for now. 600 00:37:22,031 --> 00:37:24,992 You go to take a piss, you see Beverly Jean's body... 601 00:37:25,660 --> 00:37:27,745 I thought it was a store mannequin or something. 602 00:37:27,828 --> 00:37:29,664 Wouldn't your dog have gone straight for it? 603 00:37:29,747 --> 00:37:32,227 - Might have, but that's not what happened. - What kind of dog? 604 00:37:32,667 --> 00:37:35,086 - Retriever. - And he didn't sniff it out first? 605 00:37:35,711 --> 00:37:36,754 That seems odd. 606 00:37:37,255 --> 00:37:39,674 - He's an old dog. - Not too old for a hike. 607 00:37:41,425 --> 00:37:44,428 I took care of my business, I collected my dog, and I went to the police. 608 00:37:45,012 --> 00:37:47,098 Right away? Few hours later? Next day? 609 00:37:47,181 --> 00:37:49,100 Couple hours later. Maybe that night. 610 00:37:50,017 --> 00:37:52,019 It was actually morning when you came in, sir. 611 00:37:54,105 --> 00:37:56,732 HOLDEN: Why'd you wait so long to report the body, Mr. Moran? 612 00:37:58,776 --> 00:38:02,822 You're talking to the FBI, Mr. Moran. If we want to find something out, we will. 613 00:38:05,908 --> 00:38:08,786 I was scared the cops might want me for it, okay? 614 00:38:09,412 --> 00:38:12,123 My wife talked me out of that. I did my duty as a citizen. 615 00:38:12,373 --> 00:38:14,375 You thought they'd want you for a murder? 616 00:38:14,834 --> 00:38:17,461 I seen cops get desperate, grab whoever they can get. 617 00:38:17,545 --> 00:38:18,629 HOLDEN: But why you? 618 00:38:19,797 --> 00:38:21,841 I got a bit of a record, all right? 619 00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:26,387 It ain't much. I lit up a few fires when I was a kid, got into a few fights. 620 00:38:26,762 --> 00:38:27,888 I ain't proud of it. 621 00:38:27,972 --> 00:38:29,473 Came here, met my wife. 622 00:38:30,933 --> 00:38:34,145 - Family man now. - Before that, did you move around a lot? 623 00:38:36,647 --> 00:38:39,567 ALVIN: Not a good way to live. I feel settled now. 624 00:38:41,902 --> 00:38:43,529 Is that your statement, Mr. Moran? 625 00:38:47,825 --> 00:38:50,161 I come into town, grab a beer now and then. 626 00:38:53,539 --> 00:38:55,666 I seen Beverly Jean a few times. 627 00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:57,710 You saw Beverly Jean at a bar? 628 00:38:58,586 --> 00:38:59,503 At The Kettle. 629 00:39:01,047 --> 00:39:03,507 - Finally got up the nerve. - The nerve to do what? 630 00:39:04,592 --> 00:39:05,843 To buy her a drink. 631 00:39:08,054 --> 00:39:10,014 She wasn't interested, end of story. 632 00:39:13,017 --> 00:39:14,685 Maybe I asked her more than once. 633 00:39:14,769 --> 00:39:18,064 More than once that night at the bar, or on more than one occasion? 634 00:39:18,731 --> 00:39:21,025 I guess you'd say on more than one occasion. 635 00:39:24,362 --> 00:39:28,074 - He's too old and too married. - HOLDEN: He was a drifter until recently. 636 00:39:28,157 --> 00:39:29,742 Beverly Jean rejected him. 637 00:39:29,825 --> 00:39:32,620 He's got a record. He tried to help the police. 638 00:39:32,703 --> 00:39:36,207 And his alibi? Home watching TV with the wife? 639 00:39:36,290 --> 00:39:40,211 If a man like that took Beverly Jean, he'd draw it out, make her suffer. 640 00:39:40,294 --> 00:39:42,505 You saw the photos, he must've tortured her for hours. 641 00:39:42,588 --> 00:39:45,068 TENCH: Those wounds were inflicted posthumously. Can't forget. 642 00:39:45,091 --> 00:39:47,426 You said that before. What difference does that make? 643 00:39:48,803 --> 00:39:51,138 When you're married, it's a contract. 644 00:39:51,555 --> 00:39:53,724 There's children, a mortgage, 645 00:39:53,808 --> 00:39:56,310 ...a house to keep up, almost like a business. 646 00:39:57,269 --> 00:40:00,231 Only you can't quit. She can't fire you. 647 00:40:00,314 --> 00:40:02,024 Stock goes up, stock goes down... 648 00:40:02,108 --> 00:40:03,567 ...doesn't matter, you're trapped. 649 00:40:04,151 --> 00:40:07,196 Unless you want to bring on the lawyers and open Pandora's box. 650 00:40:07,780 --> 00:40:09,323 Resentment builds on both sides. 651 00:40:09,407 --> 00:40:10,908 A thousand tiny cuts. 652 00:40:11,784 --> 00:40:14,161 If Alvin Moran had a married man's anger, 653 00:40:14,620 --> 00:40:16,247 ...he'd have tortured, then killed her. 654 00:40:17,164 --> 00:40:18,416 No question in my mind. 655 00:40:20,584 --> 00:40:23,921 Maybe we should talk to his wife. See if there's anything there. 656 00:40:25,798 --> 00:40:27,174 I mean, she's the whole alibi. 657 00:40:28,801 --> 00:40:30,970 Wouldn't mind checking it holds up. 658 00:40:31,053 --> 00:40:32,346 (PHONE RINGING) 659 00:40:35,558 --> 00:40:37,601 Mrs. Moran, thank you for coming in. 660 00:40:37,685 --> 00:40:40,938 My name is Bill Tench. This is my partner, Holden Ford. 661 00:40:41,021 --> 00:40:42,022 Hello. 662 00:40:44,817 --> 00:40:46,735 I don't understand. I can't call my husband? 663 00:40:46,819 --> 00:40:50,698 - Aren't I supposed to get my phone call? - You're not under arrest, Mrs. Moran. 664 00:40:50,781 --> 00:40:52,074 These men are from the FBI. 665 00:40:52,158 --> 00:40:54,076 They just want to ask you a couple questions. 666 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,120 Have you been following the investigation? 667 00:40:59,290 --> 00:41:01,750 Can't look at that. Poor girl. 668 00:41:03,502 --> 00:41:05,463 - Wouldn't hurt a fly. - You knew her? 669 00:41:07,047 --> 00:41:08,674 Can we ask how you knew her? 670 00:41:09,884 --> 00:41:12,803 - MORAN: She was almost our babysitter. - Almost? 671 00:41:16,098 --> 00:41:16,932 Mrs. Moran? 672 00:41:19,059 --> 00:41:20,644 We talked with her about it. 673 00:41:22,271 --> 00:41:26,567 When she left, Alvin wouldn't shut up about the girl. 674 00:41:27,401 --> 00:41:28,235 Meaning? 675 00:41:29,445 --> 00:41:30,571 You know what I mean. 676 00:41:30,654 --> 00:41:32,531 It's best if we don't have to guess, ma'am. 677 00:41:35,659 --> 00:41:39,163 She was young, and skinny, and... 678 00:41:40,414 --> 00:41:42,333 "Oh, such pretty blonde hair." 679 00:41:43,959 --> 00:41:45,836 Didn't need that in my house. 680 00:41:46,337 --> 00:41:48,380 Not with two little kids in the picture. 681 00:41:49,381 --> 00:41:50,424 What do I look like? 682 00:41:51,342 --> 00:41:55,221 Were you aware that your husband made overtures to Beverly... 683 00:41:55,304 --> 00:41:56,639 ...on several occasions? 684 00:41:56,722 --> 00:41:59,350 Didn't I just say he had a thing for the poor girl? 685 00:42:02,770 --> 00:42:04,271 Alvin does this. 686 00:42:05,147 --> 00:42:09,235 It's like sportfishing. He doesn't mean anything by it. 687 00:42:09,318 --> 00:42:11,445 We were told he was home with you watching television... 688 00:42:11,529 --> 00:42:12,863 ...the night Beverly disappeared. 689 00:42:16,408 --> 00:42:18,202 You think Alvin did this? 690 00:42:20,955 --> 00:42:23,832 Oh! No. 691 00:42:25,334 --> 00:42:28,462 I mean, I'd love for him to get a good scare, 692 00:42:28,546 --> 00:42:30,631 ...bothering a girl half his age, 693 00:42:30,714 --> 00:42:32,967 ...but... no. 694 00:42:34,468 --> 00:42:35,886 The idiot was with me. 695 00:42:36,428 --> 00:42:37,429 The whole night? 696 00:42:38,180 --> 00:42:39,265 The whole night. 697 00:42:42,810 --> 00:42:47,314 HOLDEN: Okay, her husband made a pass at a younger woman. He's an idiot. 698 00:42:48,107 --> 00:42:49,567 But so are a million other men. 699 00:42:49,650 --> 00:42:51,819 I don't see any of the anger you've been talking about. 700 00:42:51,902 --> 00:42:53,904 So lo and behold, we're back to the fiancé. 701 00:42:53,988 --> 00:42:55,531 Follow your own logic, Bill. 702 00:42:55,864 --> 00:42:58,409 The anger makes no sense in a young couple either. 703 00:42:58,492 --> 00:43:00,244 This could be the first in a sequence. 704 00:43:00,327 --> 00:43:04,039 Nine times out of ten, it's the boyfriend, the husband, somebody close. 705 00:43:04,123 --> 00:43:05,749 Nine times isn't every time, Bill. 706 00:43:05,833 --> 00:43:06,834 Listen, uh... 707 00:43:08,210 --> 00:43:10,462 Can't say how much I appreciate all your help. 708 00:43:10,796 --> 00:43:13,674 Sorry if I got off a little shaky there at the start. 709 00:43:13,757 --> 00:43:16,594 I'm gonna stick with Alvin, if it's all the same, keep you posted. 710 00:43:20,598 --> 00:43:23,475 CARR: So you're in the middle of an ongoing investigation? 711 00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:26,020 A local detective asked for our help. What else could we do? 712 00:43:26,103 --> 00:43:28,543 Tell them you have more important things to do with your time. 713 00:43:28,606 --> 00:43:32,443 We've been consulting with local cops for years. No reason to change that now. 714 00:43:32,526 --> 00:43:34,528 My assumption is you're good at your job. 715 00:43:34,612 --> 00:43:37,281 Which means you're gonna be more focused on solving an actual crime... 716 00:43:37,364 --> 00:43:38,991 ...than the theoretical work we're doing. 717 00:43:39,074 --> 00:43:41,952 - And that's bad? - CARR: It's not good or bad. 718 00:43:42,036 --> 00:43:44,413 We can't end crime, no matter what we do. 719 00:43:44,496 --> 00:43:47,750 But in the long run, I think that our project could have a deeper impact... 720 00:43:47,833 --> 00:43:49,376 ...than solving a single murder. 721 00:43:49,460 --> 00:43:51,545 We can do both. It's not an issue. 722 00:43:54,089 --> 00:43:56,009 What jumped out when you were talking to Rissell? 723 00:43:56,091 --> 00:43:58,093 He seems aware of the trap of his childhood. 724 00:43:58,177 --> 00:44:00,971 How things might be different if he was allowed to stay with his dad. 725 00:44:01,055 --> 00:44:02,139 Kemper said something similar. 726 00:44:02,222 --> 00:44:04,600 They're both playing the victim, looking for sympathy. 727 00:44:04,683 --> 00:44:06,310 HOLDEN: I think it's more complicated. 728 00:44:06,393 --> 00:44:09,772 I think you're both right. I mean, it's self-pity, absolutely. 729 00:44:09,855 --> 00:44:12,733 And the psychopath understands how that plays to his audience. 730 00:44:12,816 --> 00:44:14,568 - Exactly. - But the complicated part... 731 00:44:14,652 --> 00:44:17,404 ...is that they actually believe it. They have to. 732 00:44:17,488 --> 00:44:20,407 I mean, if they admitted that they rape and murder for pleasure, 733 00:44:20,491 --> 00:44:21,450 ...it would destroy them. 734 00:44:22,451 --> 00:44:23,535 There's a tension. 735 00:44:23,619 --> 00:44:26,538 They need to be seen to have power over someone, 736 00:44:26,622 --> 00:44:29,083 ...and yet circumstance demands that they erase the only witness, 737 00:44:29,166 --> 00:44:32,086 ...which means they have to do the whole thing over again. 738 00:44:32,628 --> 00:44:33,545 It must be hell. 739 00:44:33,629 --> 00:44:36,590 So the self-pity angle works. You have sympathy for both of them. 740 00:44:36,674 --> 00:44:38,634 Yeah, of course. How else could I do my job? 741 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,096 Do Kemper and Rissell have other common traits? 742 00:44:42,179 --> 00:44:44,973 That what you're doing with these cards, figuring out similarities? 743 00:44:45,057 --> 00:44:47,518 And differences. I've been going through their files. 744 00:44:47,601 --> 00:44:51,355 I'm trying to frame an overall taxonomy, except I don't know where to start. 745 00:44:51,438 --> 00:44:52,523 TENCH: The crime scene. 746 00:44:52,606 --> 00:44:55,150 Kemper's like a general, planning his campaigns. 747 00:44:55,234 --> 00:44:57,653 - But Rissell... - Didn't intend to kill his first victim. 748 00:44:57,736 --> 00:45:00,614 All of his victims seem spontaneous. He just walks away when he's done. 749 00:45:00,697 --> 00:45:02,866 Kemper took photographs, and dissected the victims, 750 00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:04,910 ...and was very good at hiding the remains. 751 00:45:04,993 --> 00:45:07,830 So could we say "systematic" and "anti-systematic"? 752 00:45:07,913 --> 00:45:09,623 HOLDEN: Maybe something a little less... 753 00:45:09,706 --> 00:45:11,947 Something even a beat cop could understand straight away. 754 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,837 Right. Like "organized" and "disorganized." 755 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,505 Okay. Let's try it. 756 00:45:16,588 --> 00:45:17,464 What goes where? 757 00:45:18,966 --> 00:45:19,925 Well... 758 00:45:20,676 --> 00:45:24,221 "High intelligence" would go under "organized." 759 00:45:24,596 --> 00:45:27,057 "Low intelligence": "disorganized." 760 00:45:30,644 --> 00:45:32,563 - What do you think? - Definitely. 761 00:45:32,646 --> 00:45:36,024 The class is great, but he's obsessed with the meaning of shit. 762 00:45:36,108 --> 00:45:37,109 Does shit have meaning? 763 00:45:37,192 --> 00:45:38,652 All shit has meaning, man. 764 00:45:40,195 --> 00:45:41,155 Is that her? 765 00:45:42,739 --> 00:45:43,615 (SCOFFS) 766 00:45:44,324 --> 00:45:46,410 No. Wendy's more... 767 00:45:47,786 --> 00:45:48,620 ...not that. 768 00:45:48,704 --> 00:45:50,122 Look at you. 769 00:45:50,205 --> 00:45:53,333 Dr. Wendy has you all nervous. Should I be jealous? 770 00:45:53,959 --> 00:45:56,837 Would I have invited her to go out with us if I was interested in her? 771 00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,089 I've seen men do stranger things. 772 00:45:59,548 --> 00:46:01,967 - So she's married. - How does that follow? 773 00:46:02,050 --> 00:46:04,595 If you're not interested, she must be married. 774 00:46:05,053 --> 00:46:09,057 For a man who picks up strange women in bars, you have your scruples. 775 00:46:10,225 --> 00:46:11,226 Thank you. 776 00:46:13,937 --> 00:46:15,147 I don't think she is married. 777 00:46:16,064 --> 00:46:17,065 That's her. 778 00:46:19,026 --> 00:46:21,028 (LAUGHS) No. 779 00:46:22,654 --> 00:46:24,114 Do you plan on getting married? 780 00:46:24,198 --> 00:46:26,033 Having kids, the whole thing? 781 00:46:27,367 --> 00:46:29,703 Are you proposing, Holden Ford? 782 00:46:29,786 --> 00:46:30,871 Just curious. 783 00:46:32,456 --> 00:46:35,584 - Your parents have a good marriage? - I have no idea. 784 00:46:35,667 --> 00:46:38,128 - Where's this coming from? - The study. 785 00:46:38,921 --> 00:46:40,631 We're talking a lot about parents. 786 00:46:40,881 --> 00:46:42,508 Harsh mothers, absent fathers. 787 00:46:42,591 --> 00:46:44,551 All fathers are absent fathers. 788 00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:47,930 That's definitely her. 789 00:46:49,932 --> 00:46:51,683 - No. - (LAUGHS) 790 00:46:51,767 --> 00:46:52,601 Hello. 791 00:46:53,810 --> 00:46:54,770 Hi. 792 00:46:55,979 --> 00:46:57,814 - Wendy Carr. - Deborah Mitford. 793 00:46:57,898 --> 00:46:59,024 It's a pleasure. 794 00:46:59,107 --> 00:47:02,277 Thank you so much for the invitation. It was unexpected, but appreciated. 795 00:47:02,361 --> 00:47:05,447 Yeah, for a fed, he's not so bad at having a good time. 796 00:47:05,822 --> 00:47:07,407 Are you in law enforcement also? 797 00:47:07,491 --> 00:47:09,660 No, I'm doing postgrad, actually. 798 00:47:09,743 --> 00:47:12,120 - Sociology at UVA. - What's your concentration? 799 00:47:12,204 --> 00:47:14,498 - DEBBIE: Social deviance. - So... Durkheim? 800 00:47:14,581 --> 00:47:16,542 - Yes. - Oh, God. 801 00:47:17,251 --> 00:47:18,961 Because I didn't know who Durkheim was... 802 00:47:19,044 --> 00:47:21,672 - Or Goring, or Blumer. - It's fine. 803 00:47:22,172 --> 00:47:25,092 I'm not intimidated being around women who are smarter than me. 804 00:47:25,759 --> 00:47:28,178 Men often say that, but they rarely mean it. 805 00:47:28,262 --> 00:47:29,346 DEBBIE: Holden means it. 806 00:47:29,429 --> 00:47:32,933 He has a lot of flaws, but surprisingly, that's not one of them. 807 00:47:35,185 --> 00:47:37,646 - I'm... Excuse me. - Yes. 808 00:47:38,438 --> 00:47:41,316 Could I get a Manhattan? And will you have another round? 809 00:47:42,025 --> 00:47:43,360 - Yeah, thank you. - Yeah. 810 00:47:44,695 --> 00:47:46,016 CARR: So he called you directly? 811 00:47:46,071 --> 00:47:49,366 No, Andrea called. Said he wanted to meet with us. 812 00:47:49,449 --> 00:47:51,118 Any idea what this is about? 813 00:47:51,201 --> 00:47:54,371 No. Usually, it's about finding clarity. 814 00:47:54,830 --> 00:47:56,498 But he asked for me specifically? 815 00:47:56,582 --> 00:47:57,749 All three of us. 816 00:48:19,146 --> 00:48:20,147 SHEPARD: Come in. 817 00:48:22,316 --> 00:48:26,194 Dr. Carr, Unit Chief Shepard. Nice to meet you finally. 818 00:48:26,278 --> 00:48:27,279 CARR: You as well. 819 00:48:27,863 --> 00:48:30,073 SHEPARD: Sit, please. All of you. 820 00:48:32,242 --> 00:48:35,579 So, how's everything? Progressing? 821 00:48:37,581 --> 00:48:38,957 Uh, yes, thank you. 822 00:48:39,041 --> 00:48:40,584 - Fine, thanks. - Slowly, but yes. 823 00:48:40,667 --> 00:48:41,793 Can I help with anything? 824 00:48:45,464 --> 00:48:47,299 Is there anything I need to know? 825 00:48:49,968 --> 00:48:52,554 - Sir, if this is about the car... - Nobody cares about the car. 826 00:48:52,638 --> 00:48:55,599 It was insured and I assume driven by your protégé. 827 00:48:56,016 --> 00:48:58,352 - It's not important who was driving. - SHEPARD: I agree. 828 00:48:58,435 --> 00:49:01,938 Dr. Carr, I'm aware of your consulting with Bill over the years... 829 00:49:02,022 --> 00:49:05,525 ...and your help framing certain psychological concepts with the BSU. 830 00:49:05,609 --> 00:49:08,195 Uh, yes, a handful of times. Special Agent Tench was... 831 00:49:08,278 --> 00:49:11,865 I assume that meant you understood how things were done here at Quantico. 832 00:49:11,948 --> 00:49:14,284 I assumed the same for your cohorts. 833 00:49:15,661 --> 00:49:18,205 You might think it is my job to impede your progress... 834 00:49:18,288 --> 00:49:22,084 ...with my insistence on timelines and established protocols. 835 00:49:22,167 --> 00:49:24,044 - No, sir. Not at all. - That is not my job. 836 00:49:24,127 --> 00:49:27,297 My job is to provide guidance and quite a bit of protection. 837 00:49:27,964 --> 00:49:29,966 - I don't understand. - Clearly. 838 00:49:32,135 --> 00:49:34,471 You have stepped outside the shade of my umbrella... 839 00:49:34,554 --> 00:49:36,848 ...and you are now exposed to direct sunlight. 840 00:49:37,307 --> 00:49:39,685 I applied for grant money from several sources... 841 00:49:39,768 --> 00:49:41,728 ...anticipating a response months from now. 842 00:49:41,812 --> 00:49:42,813 Much to my surprise, 843 00:49:42,896 --> 00:49:46,066 ...the Law Enforcement Assistance Administration was already aware... 844 00:49:46,149 --> 00:49:47,317 ...of our needs and activities. 845 00:49:47,401 --> 00:49:50,529 I see. I had no intention of embarrassing you, Unit Chief Shepard. 846 00:49:50,612 --> 00:49:53,532 I was at a fund-raiser for the university and I was talking to some... 847 00:49:53,615 --> 00:49:55,450 Yes, talking to people outside the FBI 848 00:49:55,534 --> 00:49:58,286 ...about something you were not even supposed to be aware of. 849 00:49:58,370 --> 00:50:01,957 The LEAA explained that the application was anticipated. 850 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,667 How could that be, I wondered. 851 00:50:04,626 --> 00:50:07,671 It seems they know more about what's going on in our basement... 852 00:50:07,754 --> 00:50:10,215 ...than I was comfortable including in the application. 853 00:50:10,298 --> 00:50:13,260 - I so apologize. It... - Sir, this is my fault. 854 00:50:13,343 --> 00:50:15,512 Your research has been awarded $200,000. 855 00:50:17,806 --> 00:50:19,141 - What? - SHEPARD: There's more. 856 00:50:19,224 --> 00:50:21,435 As I said, I applied to more than one place for funding. 857 00:50:21,518 --> 00:50:24,354 The National Institute of Justice heard about the LEAA, 858 00:50:24,438 --> 00:50:25,647 ...and they are in competition, 859 00:50:25,731 --> 00:50:29,943 ...so the NIJ has awarded you an additional $185,000. 860 00:50:30,026 --> 00:50:30,866 You can't be serious. 861 00:50:30,944 --> 00:50:33,822 This amount of money comes with considerable scrutiny. 862 00:50:34,156 --> 00:50:35,907 And I'm not talking about bookkeeping, 863 00:50:35,991 --> 00:50:38,952 ...although you will certainly be required to keep meticulous records. 864 00:50:39,035 --> 00:50:43,623 I'm talking about Congress having a real interest in everything we do. 865 00:50:43,707 --> 00:50:47,419 So much for the protection I might have afforded you. 866 00:50:48,295 --> 00:50:50,380 Congratulations, I suppose. 867 00:50:51,757 --> 00:50:53,091 Have a nice day. 868 00:50:53,175 --> 00:50:54,968 ♫ "Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft" playing ♫ 869 00:50:55,051 --> 00:50:56,803 ♪ Please come in peace, we beseech you ♪ 870 00:50:56,887 --> 00:51:00,056 ♪ Only a landing will teach them ♪ 871 00:51:00,140 --> 00:51:02,726 ♪ Our Earth may never survive ♪ 872 00:51:02,809 --> 00:51:05,353 ♪ So do come, we beg you ♪ 873 00:51:05,437 --> 00:51:10,734 ♪ Please, interstellar policeman ♪ 874 00:51:10,817 --> 00:51:12,152 ♪ Won't you give us a sign? ♪ 875 00:51:12,235 --> 00:51:17,282 ♪ Give us a sign that we've reached you ♪ 876 00:51:46,895 --> 00:51:52,567 ♪ With your mind ♪ ♪ You have ability to form ♪ 877 00:51:54,152 --> 00:52:00,325 ♪ And transmit thought energy ♪ ♪ Far beyond the norm ♪ 878 00:52:00,909 --> 00:52:04,579 ♪ You close your eyes, you concentrate ♪ 879 00:52:04,663 --> 00:52:07,207 ♪ Together that's the way ♪ 880 00:52:09,251 --> 00:52:11,294 ♪ To send the message ♪ 881 00:52:11,378 --> 00:52:16,466 ♪ We declare world contact day ♪ 882 00:52:42,284 --> 00:52:47,372 ♪ Calling occupants ♪ ♪ Of interplanetary craft ♪ 883 00:52:49,583 --> 00:52:55,130 ♪ Calling occupants ♪ ♪ Of interplanetary craft ♪ 884 00:52:57,048 --> 00:52:59,551 ♪ Calling occupants ♪ 885 00:52:59,634 --> 00:53:04,514 ♪ Of interplanetary ♪ ♪ Most extraordinary craft ♪ 886 00:53:16,902 --> 00:53:19,946 ♪ We are your friends ♪